"People, even children, are educated much more by the whole society around them and the general quality of life in ... tl.gd/g10hu4
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
"our schools are the way they are for many reasons that have nothing whatever to do with children's learning." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
"our schools are the way they are for many reasons that have nothing whatever to do with children's learning." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
"children are by nature smart, energetic, curious, eager to learn, and good at learning; that they do not need to b... tl.gd/g10il4
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
I don't think that this can be overstated. In case something happens to TwitLonger I'll repost it in full:
"children are by nature smart, energetic, curious, eager to learn, and good at learning; that they do not need to be bribed and bullied to learn; that they learn best when they are happy, active, involved, and interested in what they are doing; that they learn least, or not at all, when they are bored, threatened, humiliated, frightened." Holt
"There are no such things as 'unstructured' situations. They are not possible. Every human situation, however casua... tl.gd/g10jen
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
"convincing people that most of our present schools are bad for learning is not going to change them; learning is n... tl.gd/g10jf9
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
Holt goes on in the last chapter of this book to identify the purposes he sees schools serving. Those are custodial, ranking and sorting, social engineering, and indoctrination. He also says that these purposes are at odds with each other and at odds with the educative purpose which gets lost to these other ends.
"We do not need to put structure into children's lives. It is already there." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
@anderscj if this is from '72 readings, doesn't sound like much has changed in attitude or beliefs re: education
— B Olmanson (@BKOlmanson) February 20, 2012
@BKOlmanson yes
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
"One of the things that makes a community is that it has more rules than it knows. People in the community do a lot... tl.gd/g10on0
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
@anderscj depressing
— Joe Bower (@joe_bower) February 20, 2012
@joe_bower do you disagree? I think we need to find more productive purposes or do away with them entirely.
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 20, 2012
"most adults, seeing what look like the hopelessly chaotic efforts of children to put some order into their own aff... tl.gd/g1jvme
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 21, 2012
"most adults, seeing what look like the hopelessly chaotic efforts of children to put some order into their own affairs, never wait long enough to give them a chance to do it."
I have noticed this with my students this year. I have noticed that a lot of them come to me with a kind of learned helplessness, expecting me to tell them everything they are supposed to do and expecting me to give them all the "correct" answers. As a teacher I operate best running an open classroom where students engage in personally meaningful projects and I act as a kind of guide or resource to help them reach their own goals. However, when I try this in my classroom I notice one of two things happen: either I get a lot of students choosing to engage in off-task kinds of behaviors like video games or I get a lot of students raising their hands repeating, "I need help. I need help." It takes a long time for students to break through both of these behaviors. The second is easier to deal with. I've used strategies like telling them to make a guess or ask a neighbor before raising their hand. At first most of them seem astonished by this advice as if I were asking them to cheat. But, after not very long at all these students seem to find their way. The other group is a bit more difficult to deal with only because I know what it must look like to visitors in my classroom to see all these kids playing games. But, for some of them this is what they need and given enough wait time with these students all of them end up finding very interesting projects to get into. The key with both groups is to make accessible interesting tools and to let them see examples of the kinds of things they can do with them. And, it doesn't hurt in the least to take an interest in the games and other diversions these kids engage with. Often that can be a hook that can lead to some powerful learning for that student.
"Every time we try to manage the lives of young people, we give up the chance to see how they might manage their ow... tl.gd/g1k0gi
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 21, 2012
"Every time we try to manage the lives of young people, we give up the chance to see how they might manage their own lives, and to learn what we might have learned from their doing it."
"One way of defining a bureaucracy might be that it is an organization that has learned so much from the past that ... tl.gd/g2os2t
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 23, 2012
"One way of defining a bureaucracy might be that it is an organization that has learned so much from the past that it can't learn anything from the present."
It is from bureaucracies that things like curriculum standards are born, the nature of which rests with preserving the past. Makes sense when viewed through this lens.
"Find instead something to do that you can throw yourself into. Let the students see you genuinely interested. Let ... tl.gd/g2pvi8
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 23, 2012
"Find instead something to do that you can throw yourself into. Let the students see you genuinely interested. Let them see your intelligence, imagination, and energy at work. Then and only then will you be exercising true adult authority."I have bumped heads with other teachers and administrators about this issue in the past. As an art teacher I always felt that the best way for me to serve my students was to also be a practicing professional artist. This would give me the authority to teach from experience. But I also felt it was important for them to see me working as an artist. Every project I would give them I would also complete alongside them. In this students could learn from watching me work but in engaging in the same activity as them I was placed in a unique social role in the classroom. Students were free to ask questions and engage me in discussions regarding their own inquiries. This also fostered community building and strengthened bonds between teacher and student. Some of my coworkers felt that by spending class time to work on my own studio work I was ignoring my classroom duties. On the contrary, my studio work was my greatest teaching asset. When I was forced once to give it up I lost all authority in the classroom.
"the more we intervene in children's lives, however intelligently, kindly, or imaginatively, the less time we leave... tl.gd/g3bpju
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 24, 2012
"What we really need are schools or learning resource centers that are not just for kids, but where adults come of ... tl.gd/g3c7pq
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 24, 2012
"What we really need are schools or learning resource centers that are not just for kids, but where adults come of their own free will to learn what they are interested in, and in which children are free to learn with and among them."
"Why do we think that humane learning can go on in buildings that look as if they were designed to hold atomic secrets?" Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
"We must realize that when we ask or invite them to make choices we are asking them to take a risk much larger than... tl.gd/g3tl0i
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
"If it is frustrating to be told to choose when there is nothing to choose from, it may be frightening, confusing, ... tl.gd/g3tljn
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
"A student in a traditional school learns before long in a hundred different ways that the school is not on his sid... tl.gd/g3tlnn
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
"A student in a traditional school learns before long in a hundred different ways that the school is not on his side; that it is working, not for him, but for the community and the state; that it is not interested in him except as he serves its purposes; and that among all the reasons for which the adults in the school do things, his happiness, health, and growth are by far the least important."
"What is too familiar becomes invisible." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
I asked my students to write on the board every type of technology they could find in the room today. I did this for three different classes. Every time the first technologies to go up were computer or electronic technologies followed by mechanical technologies. In one class students came up with building materials like concrete and plastic and in another class the students actually identified the school itself as a technology. In all three cases it was not until I gave lots and lots of wait time before they made the leap to challenge their internal definition of technology and recognize those things like clocks, pencils, and desks as falling under its umbrella. I think these things have become so familiar that they were invisible.
"if we make this offer of freedom, choice, self-direction to students who have spent much time in traditional schoo... tl.gd/g3tmgv
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
I believe this is exactly why so many of my students this year had so much trouble getting settled into an open classroom.
"Finding interesting things for children to do is not too difficult, if they have not been in school too long, or h... tl.gd/g3trmi
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
"One way to get the student to come out from hiding, is to do all we can to legitimize his interests." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
"The problem is that because of pressure from anxious or angry adults in the community, or our own worries about wh... tl.gd/g3u95q
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
"The problem is that because of pressure from anxious or angry adults in the community, or our own worries about what is important, we are afraid to let the students think, read, and write about what we know very well they are interested in."I feel this pressure all the time. All the time.
"an oppressive high school in a low-income community may not be a very promising place for a teacher to work in to ... tl.gd/g3ucua
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 25, 2012
"an oppressive high school in a low-income community may not be a very promising place for a teacher to work in to bring about educational change."
This is why we see things like the production gap and more conservative education practices used with poor kids. When I read this I got a bit emotional because this statement seems to validate a lot of what I have felt in my current teaching situation. The unjust thing is that it is exactly students in those low-income communities in most need of educational change.
"I have come to feel that the deschooled society, a society in which learning is not separated from but joined to, ... tl.gd/g5iakg
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"I have come to feel that the deschooled society, a society in which learning is not separated from but joined to, part of the rest of life, is not a luxury for which we can wait hundreds of years, but something toward which we must move and work as quickly as possible."
"Almost all societies and people now define education or learning as schooling, and measure people's intelligence, ... tl.gd/g5ibjp
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"People's concern with what they call 'quality education,' meaning 'I want my kid to stay ahead of your kid,' has p... tl.gd/g5icdc
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"Indeed, all the criteria by which one institution is judged to be better than another come down in the long run to a matter of money." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"Now the richer child will naturally have more of Daddy's money invested in his schooling than the poor child. But ... tl.gd/g5idfb
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"as we put more and more of our educational resources into schools, we have less and less left over for those insti... tl.gd/g5ie6s
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"as we put more and more of our educational resources into schools, we have less and less left over for those institutions that are truly open and educative and in which more and more people might learn for themselves."
"How can we measure the demand for what does not exist and what most people have not imagined?" Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"no society would spend much money just to provide pleasant and interesting places for children to go." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"Deschooling means not only doing away with compulsory attendance laws, the threat of the law, but also doing away ... tl.gd/g5iftq
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"There is always more and easier money in selling luxuries to the rich than necessities to the poor." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"To deny or even question the all-importance of growth is to attack Truth itself. Much safer these days to deny the... tl.gd/g5ih7f
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"To deny or even question the all-importance of growth is to attack Truth itself. Much safer these days to deny the existence or importance of God."
This is a difficult issue to address but I have come to see it as a central issue with our federal education policy. Everything is about progress, moving forward, achievement, etc. Holt says it is the one and only true world-wide religion. What about sustainability, joy, and contentment? Steve Jobs famously said, "stay hungry." This attitude worked very well for him in a world that worships progress. But with progress come costs. At what point do we find ourselves needing to step back and change our mindset from one of moving forward to one of stewardship of what we have?
"If growth has truly done away with some old and painful forms of poverty, it has created some equally painful new ones." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"public transport between suburb and city is planned for the people who come into the city to work" Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"We learn more clearly every day that a higher GNP means not a better life but more garbage, noise, and pollution." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"Our purpose in education must be to educate them to make more and more creative use of their leisure." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"Whoever sees himself in his work as only a maker or seller of junk is likely to see himself in his leisure as only... tl.gd/g5ij59
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"On the one hand we hear endless talk about 'society's needs' for highly educated (i.e. schooled) people. And in th... tl.gd/g5ik66
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"No sensible person believes anymore the lie that industry gives the public what it wants." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"The young we shut up in schools. The old we force out of the job market with 'retirement,' which for many people c... tl.gd/g5illf
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"The curse of our time, perhaps soon a fatal one, is not idleness, but work not worth doing, done by people who hate it" Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"There are no comfortable spots in society sitting there unoccupied, just waiting for some deserving poor kid to co... tl.gd/g5intq
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"The poor kid has to struggle harder [than the rich kid] for his diploma and it is worth less to him when he gets it." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"schools and schooling, by their very nature, purposes, structure, and ways of working are, and are meant to be, an... tl.gd/g5iq6f
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"schools and schooling, by their very nature, purposes, structure, and ways of working are, and are meant to be, an obstacle to poor kids, designed and built not to move them up in the world but to keep them at the bottom of it and to make them think it is their own fault."
"a deschooled society would be a society in which everyone shall have the widest and freest possible choice to lear... tl.gd/g5it5i
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"The schools, particularly the schools where poor kids go, are filled with people who don't like poor kids." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"what schools demand of poor kids, as a condition of being given a chance to learn some skills that might get them ... tl.gd/g5j4d3
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"what schools demand of poor kids, as a condition of being given a chance to learn some skills that might get them into the middle class, is that they act as if they were already in it."
Just had a conversation at lunch today with a group of teachers talking about how they would like to mandate that the kids in our school always use proper English while in school. This was suggested all with good intention but I couldn't help thinking about this quote.
"school teaches above all the superiority of the schooled, and one of the very first and most important requirement... tl.gd/g5j5tb
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"school teaches above all the superiority of the schooled, and one of the very first and most important requirements for getting ahead in school and rising in the world is that the student accept this myth as true."
"It is only recently, at least on a large scale, that man has come to think that learning best takes place in an in... tl.gd/g5j9dq
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"It is only recently, at least on a large scale, that man has come to think that learning best takes place in an institution that doesn't produce anything but learning."
I tried to think on my drive home yesterday how a school might produce something other than learning, how it might make itself self-sufficient. I had a lot of trouble coming up with anything beyond the trivial. Corporate industry and cheap outsourced labor have made it nearly impossible to generate any real income from production of a good or service. The one thing schools do produce are consumers.
"anyone who wants to learn a skill, and knows that as soon as he learns it he can use it, can learn it very quickly." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"In poor communities as in poor countries, large doses of schooling do not create leadership, but an elite, which i... tl.gd/g5jggd
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 28, 2012
"Almost everything we do about reading, in school or out, hides the vital fact that writing is an extension of huma... tl.gd/g637tc
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"What we say to children is that reading is fun, reading is important, they'll like it, and so on. But everything w... tl.gd/g638m0
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"We don't learn difficult things desperately." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"Access to reading matter, not reading methods, is the name of the game." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"reading is sold to the powerful people in society as a way of pacifying the poor." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"If we think it is important to get poor kids reading, not for their sake but only for ours, they will find out, and refuse." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
This goes for nearly every other type of learning as well.
"True education doesn't quiet things down; it stirs them up. It awakens consciousness. It destroys myths." Holt
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
I love that quote, lets repeat it in large print:
"True education doesn't quiet things down; it stirs them up. It awakens consciousness. It destroys myths."
"it seems to me foolish to put all our hopes for a truly educative society or enlightened way of rearing children i... tl.gd/g64154
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"it seems to me foolish to put all our hopes for a truly educative society or enlightened way of rearing children into the basket of school reform."
"Universal compulsory schools are not and were never meant to be humane institutions, and most of their fundamental... tl.gd/g6459h
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"Universal compulsory schools are not and were never meant to be humane institutions, and most of their fundamental purposes, tasks, missions, are not humane."
"Our schools, school people, and above all school reformers are ineffective because they are working at cross purpo... tl.gd/g645ti
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"Proposals for merit pay are and will remain at best useless and at worst harmful as long as some administrative su... tl.gd/g649gh
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"Proposals for merit pay are and will remain at best useless and at worst harmful as long as some administrative superior judges this merit, or as long as we try to measure it by such things as achievement test scores."
Yet I have never seen a proposal for merit pay that did not base its criteria on one of these two questionable categories.
"If we turn schools into a kind of cream separator, if we give to schools the business of finding and training a fu... tl.gd/g64d6g
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"If we turn schools into a kind of cream separator, if we give to schools the business of finding and training a future elite, if in short we turn education into a race, with winners and losers, as in all races we are going to have many more losers than winners."
Which is exactly what Race to the Top does. Right?
"We cannot expect large numbers of children to trust us if they know, as before long most of them do, that an impor... tl.gd/g64fa5
— anderscj (@anderscj) February 29, 2012
"We cannot expect large numbers of children to trust us if they know, as before long most of them do, that an important part of our job is compiling records on them which will be used to judge them for much of the rest of their life."
I certainly have trouble trusting anyone with this power over me.
